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WOLFPACK

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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:08 pm Post subject: male dna on a female child's underwear... |
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I think it's unlikely that's from an innocent source.
The 3rd world garment worker theory I suppose is still out there.I think it would be relatively easy to check, just do dna testing on fresh garments bought in a store that are comparable to those she was wearing and see if you can generate a human dna profile. |
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Fionatds

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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:58 am Post subject: |
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Ok, now I understand about the DNA. Thanks watson. _________________ "Oh skycake, why are you so delicious." Patton Oswalt. |
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Rainsong
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Fionatds,
I noticed you mentioned DNA awhile back. As I recall the problem with the DNA in this case is that it's not from a seperate sample and may not be related to the murderer. The only samples in the case, a small blood stain, and material under the victims nails, turned out to be mostly the DNA of the victim, mixed with other DNA. That if that other DNA came from 1 individual (can't be sure of that) then all the Ramsey's are excluded from being that 1 individual.
Problem is unlike other cases where we have a seperate sample of the offenders blood or body fluid left behind at the scene, so we can easily get a DNA profile of the offender. we don't have that in this case. Only samples that are mostly the victims DNA mixed with a small amount of foreign DNA. We can't even be sure if that foreign DNA is from 1 person, or a mixture of people, in which case the DNA profile eventually teased from it, is of a person that never existed. Or if it was from 1 person that it's not the DNA of a person the victim innocently came into contact with. |
Actually, three separate instances of unknown male DNA was found on two separate items of Jon Benet's clothing. All the male DNA matched.
(Letter from District Attorney Mary Lacy to John Ramsey) _________________ Rainsong
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WOLFPACK

Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 683
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: That's interesting... |
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I predict it won't sway those who belive Patsy and or John did it though...
I presume there's some constitutional restriction preventing testing those already incarcerated who weren't previously tested, probably the prohibition against self incrimination or lack of probable cause to test.
Otherwise I would say just test everyone in jail/prison not previously tested.Even those convicted of nonviolent crimes.
I bet you would get a lot of cold hits on unsolved cases.
The guy who did this has been in jail before.
Or is in jail now.
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watson
Joined: 11 Dec 2007 Posts: 50
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Rainsong,
Just to clarify on the JBR DNA, as understand it, there are 3 samples that all match for some unknown male DNA that 'could' be the DNA of a possible offender, the 3 samples coming from 2 spots on the underwear, and one sample from the fingernail scrapings..altogether 3....but...your saying that the 3 samples are from 2 'different' pieces of clothing, and no fingernails...correct.
Do you have info on what the '2nd' piece of clothing is said to be? |
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Liam1306
Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 693 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I may be wrong, but I believe they extracted touch DNA from the inner waistband of her pajamas...? |
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Rainsong
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I may be wrong, but I believe they extracted touch DNA from the inner waistband of her pajamas...? |
My understanding is the touch DNA is from the inner band of both the pj bottoms and the underwear--right where someone would place their hands to pull them down. The info came out a couple years back so I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly. _________________ Rainsong
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ThinkTank

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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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You are. It was directly detected where the hands would grab the bands. Still people refuse to believe it is the DNA of an unknown male. They still want to blame a Ramsey. Makes me sick honestly. I cant even imagine how those parents felt being accused and convicted in the media. Steve Thomas should have to pay a price for his crap. _________________ Pearls of Wisdom.... Never, ever, ever take a sleeping pill and a laxitive on the same night. |
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sherry a. smith

Joined: 31 Aug 2009 Posts: 887 Location: Louisiana
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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On Monday, Inside Edition reported that John Mark Carr, who falsely confessed to killing JonBenet - recently became a woman through a sex change operation. They also reported he recently posted a photo of himself on his facebook page.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/22987795/detail.html |
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toothpick

Joined: 12 Mar 2010 Posts: 1243 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: male dna on a female child's underwear... |
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| WOLFPACK wrote: |
I think it's unlikely that's from an innocent source.
The 3rd world garment worker theory I suppose is still out there.I think it would be relatively easy to check, just do dna testing on fresh garments bought in a store that are comparable to those she was wearing and see if you can generate a human dna profile. |
This was done by renowned forensic scientist Henry Lee using an identical package of unopened underwear from the same manufacturer in Asia..
This unopened package did in fact yield and unknown dna source.
Although I am not knowledgeable as to how many markers were present in this sample.
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WOLFPACK

Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 683
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: some dna have racial markers... |
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so it might be possible to determine if the dna was from that part of the world.It might be.
shrugs.
I don't know how you would determine the truth about the Jon Benet case unless you get a codis match..or a confession you can substantiate.  |
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Rainsong
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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I've been informed that Lou Smit died today of stomach cancer.
Warm thoughts to his family. _________________ Rainsong
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toothpick

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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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I am presently in Boulder, Colorado at the moment..
I have a few "old" contacts here from the days when I was living here that I will be discussing/going over the evidence in the case with.
After this it will be off to the Kayleah Wilson case in Greeley, just a short trip up the road from Boulder.
Seems I have some inside news about Robert Monytoya that just needs to be looked at by someone as adept as myself.
I wasn't expecting to do this for another few weeks but the invitation was presented and I thought..What the heck..I have nothing better to do right now and I am quite curious as to what we will be discussing and with whom..
I want to get a better perspective on the drainage ditch location where her body was recovered and just where it enters and exits the ground.
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Rainsong
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: some dna have racial markers... |
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| WOLFPACK wrote: |
so it might be possible to determine if the dna was from that part of the world.It might be.
shrugs.
I don't know how you would determine the truth about the Jon Benet case unless you get a codis match..or a confession you can substantiate.  |
Not at all. The Touch DNA was found on both the panties and the pajama bottoms--well, I guess the Asian garment worker might have come over on a slow boat... _________________ Rainsong
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toothpick

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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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The fact is..
There have been numerous cases of outright fraud as well as incompetent/inaccurate dna analyses performed by various labs across the country, including the FBI lab..
Therefore I don't have much confidence in the dna analysis performed in the Ramsey case either..
Recall the recent episode of the serial killer being sought for years that simply turned out to be a combination of dna left by various garment handlers??
Trust me... Pedophiles don't behave as has been suggested in the JBR case.
The one responsible for murdering Jonbenet was not interested in her sexually, that should be quite obvious to anyone with rudimentary knowledge of pedophilic behaviors. |
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