JonBenet New Discussion

ThinkTank · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 3264

Rhonda,

DERRRRRRRR on me. I was sleeping when I read your post. Sorry I feel so stupid now. LOL and I am not even blonde. My daughter is through. So it is in my gene pool.

Think

LOL
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rumaj · Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject:

S'ok Think,

I'm not blonde either but today I apparently am when it comes to fixing things here at home. I prefer written instuctions rather than picture instructions that come with some things so that the manufacturer doesn't have to make a bunch in different languages. Looks the same upside down or sideways when it's in pictures only. lol

I need stronger glasses.

I was just wondering if there were any trophies or momentos ever mentioned. I don't remember any.

Maybe that's a blonde moment too?

Laughing

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Cactusflower · Joined: 21 Aug 2006 Posts: 2 Location: USA

Greetings. New here. I am absolutely fascinated by this case. I am certain the Ramseys had nothing to do with it, but I don't know about this Karr guy either.

Someone noted he looked "hermaphroditic". I noted this too. It is my understanding that he was in the process of a sex change operation ... or rather, heading towards that ... perhaps in Thailand. Perhaps this is in the news section.

I believe he had his facial hair removed. It also looks as if he has permanent eyeliner, but I may be wrong. I just got caught up in all of this again. Never in a million years ... thought this would be an unsolved case, and it may remain so.

I'll say this much, the guy freaks me out. Shocked

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rumaj · Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:40 pm Post subject:

Yes he had his facial hair removed. I read that article this morning. I'm not sure exactly where he was headed with all of his visits to the clinic.

I was just reading that his hearing for extradition is scheduled for Tuesday, (tomorrow).

It isn't clear as of yet if he has an attorney or not.

I'm wondering if he'll fight extradition of go back to Boulder willingly.

Then again, I'm still waiting for the DNA tests to come back. I'm not soley convinced he is what he says.
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ThinkTank · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 3264

I dont believe any of us are convinced. We are all cautiously waiting for the DNA. Karr is certainly disturbing even if it turns out he had NOTHING to do with the Ramsey case.

Rhonda,

I certainly dont remember any mention of the "trophy". I read somewhere a long time ago that someone believed this child was video taped as she was killed. I hope that isnt true. However, to a sick mind that would be quite a trophy. I keep wondering if there is some dark underground group that shares and swaps stories and sick memorbilla regarding the murders of children. That is the only connection I can see plausible to Karr. Of course that is only speculation.

Think
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sissi · Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 46

Think Tank, I think that's some pretty logical speculation. I have never put the Nancy Krebs story to rest , if indeed pedophile groups operate in the way she claims, and I believe they do, I would hope they make a "special" arrangement for his care in Boulder. Helgoth was "suicided", I would hate to see the same thing happen to Karr. Money, power, influence, this doesn't sound sci fi to me, it seems entirely possible.

sissi · Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 46

I forgot to address the subject of a trophy. I don't think the Ramseys would know what was missing from the home, remember, Patsy never went back in. However, regardless of Det. Harmer, Ladonna, and other's "reports", I tend to trust mothers, and Patsy maintained her belief that there was an angel bear presented at the pageant of Dec.14. The housekeeper never saw the santa one on that bed either, I believe it's entirely possible that someone attended that pageant, took the santa bear from the table and switched it for the angel one. The one broken end of the paintbrush is missing ,as well.

sissi · Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 46

I read this morning that Karr's mother had tried to kill him, and was later institutionalized. Her name was Patricia Adcock.
This rang a bell, as I had received an e mail with a CC to BSADCOCK, concerning another suspect. It was a heads up letter from the "prophet" in Boulder. Maybe nothing? Or is it possible Karr was using bsadcock as a screen name in 1998?

ThinkTank · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 3264

Sissi,

I think it is very plausible that something could have been taken from the Ramsey home and it not missed. Honestly my house is so full of things that I would only immediately miss the very obvious or very favorites. It would probably take me months to miss other things and certain things I probably would let completely slip my mind without another thought. I am curious about your "prophet". What is that all about? I read the story you spoke about his Mother trying to kill him. It is posted on the "Breaking news on the JonBenet case". It was a pretty interesting insight. It made me think of Seesthru's theory of motive for John Karr. You know.... one day I think "NO WAY" is this guy connected. The next I think he is just far enough off the planet to wonder. I hope to gosh that the Boulder DA's office has something concrete. Only time will tell.

Think
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sissi · Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 46

ThinkTank, Prophet was an interesting character in Boulder, he attended the college, was a local dj, and had a website depicting Barbie in various stages of bondage . He was considered on the net as the expert in the art of Japanese bondage knots.He in fact , wrote an ultraviolent short story entitled "Barbie the Ultimate F" . He was investigated in January of '98, the BPD took some samples of his writings, his stun gun, shoes, sharpies, a bit of dna, and subsequently cleared him. He sent out an email to friends, sharing his experiences with the BPD, telling of how , after taking his possessions ( which he spelled wrong), they took him shopping to replace "all items". They DID NOT take his hard drive which he found amazing!!

You can pick up his site, likely back to around 98, by going to waybackmachine.org, and typing in Wideawake.org. From there you have to use your imagination, as all graphics are gone, click through "x's" to get to his "body..mind...spirit" pages.
You can gain a little insight as well, by doing a google group search, and putting in prophet@bigfoot, this will lead you to some postings on the early serial killer sites.
I was just amazed that the adcocks connection popped up today.

Subdivisions · Joined: 06 Jul 2006 Posts: 494

Karr has already alluded to the probability that his DNA will not be a match.

ThinkTank · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 3264

Sissi,

Thank you for the information. Very interesting yet scary.

Think
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Lioness · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 2530

Thanks subdivision!

Think, as far as your assessment on trophies - once again - you are very insightful.

Please forgive me for mentioning this case because the last thing I want to do is to somehow bring the btk case into this one, but on the subject of "trophies" - I think it's fitting.

Dennis Rader broke into a house in Topeka, Kansas, in December of 1989. He waited for some people to come home, but fortunately, they did not. However, he still took "trophies" just to memorialize what "could've been." (Yes, I know - very sick!) He removed dresser drawers from the master bedroom and dumped their contents on the living room floor. Among the items taken were some trinkets and a name tag. Naturally, when the couple eventually came home and found their house had been burglarized and ransacked and called the police, they told the police - as stated in the police report - that "nothing had been stolen." These were items they would not notice missing and at some later date when they couldn't be found, would simply think they were "misplaced."

With these sickos, "trophies" could be anything from a hair pin to a piece of tissue paper.

rumaj · Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:35 am Post subject:

Interesting to note:

Read in the Rocky Mountain News:

out of over 1900 people polled in the Boulder, Co area. 73 % do not believe Karr is the killer of JonBenet.
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shadowraiths · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 172

Oops! I just saw this thread. I'll go ahead and post the following here and delete my post in the old thread.

Think, while I do agree that it would seem highly improbable that a parent might support a spouse who murders a child, it is not out of the realm of possibility. Not all parents see their children as what they are—little human beings—rather they see them as property. And I would hold that those who view their children in such a way might not have a problem supporting a murdering spouse.

That being said, I am one of those who has, for the most part, believed the Ramseys were innocent of the murder. There really reason for this, by the way. The ransom note. While it was obviously staged, to my mind the ransom note served some purposes, to distract law enforcemen and ensure the crime scene would be compromised, and to cast suspicion upon the Ramseys. Thus, the author of said note succeeded.

As for JMK, I personally, do not think he is the killer. And if he was involved, I would be prone to think he was more of an ancillary player. Was he the one who wrote the note & took pictures? For example, he claims he looked into her eyes while she was dying. But she was strangled from behind. So... who was working the garotte? He also says, "I was there. It was an accident." If he was in fact there and if he did not in fact kill her then the question that comes to mind is, was this a botched child sex slave kidnapping?

Okay, that's pretty out there. However consider the degree of security involved in the case as well as the legal players. As I note in my article, The Iceman cometh, I think there is more than meets the eye. Much more. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.

In the meantime, for those who are interested in reading about the "facts" as opposed to "rumors" of the case, I've uploaded several pdf documents to my document management system (DMS). Justice Julie Carnes opinion in Wolf v Ramsey is quite comprehensive and imho, worth a read. You can find the docs here.

NB: Wolf v Ramsey pdfs [click the folder icon to get to these]—though compressed—are extremely large files. Especially the two pdfs covering the document analysis expert testimony. The latter being multi-megabytes. So high bandwidth and the patience of Job is required.
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