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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given that there were already many known significant matches between the Bates and Aardsma murders - college library, within a day of Fall holiday, 1 inch by 3 1/2 inch knife, letters sent after murder - to find out that BOTH cases had cryptic morbid writings mentioning death written/etched onto a wood surface was amazing.

I know of no other cases where that happened - except these two. Had the Aardsma murder happened in California, no doubt the police would have instantly regarded it as highly likely to be linked to the Bates case, as the locations, victims, MO and writings were so similar. But because it happened in PA, the link was not made until recently.

In 1969, I don't think that the Bates desk top writing was publicized much if at all, and certainly the Zodiac link was not. So the Aardsma case can't be a copycat. And I find it highly doubtful that two seperate killers would decide to target college libraries, with the same MO and decide to write/etch statements about death on wood surfaces leaving initials that start with "R" ("RH" and "RSK").

Add to all this that last year a detective investigating the Aardsma murder showed a photo line up to a witness and that witness picked out a picture of Zodiac suspect Ted Kaczynski as being at the Penn State library, the site of the murder, the day before the killing, acting strangely and perhaps wearing a wig.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. This is the clearest I have ever heard Ted say that HUNTING and VIOLENCE are GOOD and NECESSARY QUALITIES for men! This is not just an endorsement of violence for social or political reasons, but a statement that violence, period, violence against one's own species, man vs. man, is natural, good, necessary and the way men have lived in primitive cultures Ted celebrates. This philosphy would seemingly approve of even the apolitical violence of a serial killer like the Zodiac.

Violence
Kara: Don't you think violence is violence?

In reference to my alleged actions you ask, “Don't you think violence is violence?” Of course, violence is violence. And violence is also a necessary part of nature. If predators did not kill members of prey species, then the prey species would multiply to the point where they would destroy their environment by consuming everything edible. Many kinds of animals are violent even against members their own species. For example, it is well known that wild chimpanzees often kill other chimpanzees. See, e.g., Time Magazine, August 19, 202, page 56. In some regions, fights are common among wild bears. The magazine Bear and Other Top Predators, Volume 1, Issue 2, pages 28-29, shows a photograph of bears fighting and a photograph of a bear wounded in a fight, and mentions that such wounds can be deadly. Among the sea birds called brown b--bies, two eggs are laid in each nest. After the eggs are hatched, one of the young birds attacks the other and forces it out of the nest, so that it dies. See article “Sibling Desperado,” Science News, Volume 163, February 15, 2003.

Human beings in the wild constitute one of the more violent species. A good general survey of the cultures of hunting-and-gathering people is The Hunting Peoples, by Carleton S. Coon, published by Little, Brown and Company, Boston and Toronto, 1971, and in this book you will find numerous examples in hunting-and-gathering societies of violence by human beings against other human beings. Professor Coon makes clear (pages XIX, 3, 4, 9, 10) that he admires hunting-and-gathering peoples and regards them as more fortunate than civilized ones. But he is an honest man and does not censor out those aspects of primitive life, such as violence, that appear disagreeable to modern people.

Thus, it is clear that a significant amount of violence is a natural part of human life. There is nothing wrong with violence in itself. In any particular case, whether violence is good or bad depends on how it is used and the purpose for which it is used.

So why do modern people regard violence as evil in itself? They do so for one reason only: they have been brainwashed by propaganda.
Modern society uses various forms of propaganda to teach people to be frightened and horrified by violence because the technoindustrial system needs a population that is timid, docile, and afraid to assert itself, a population that will not make trouble or disrupt the orderly functioning of the system. Power depends ultimately on physical force. By teaching people that violence is wrong (except, of course, when the system itself uses violence via the police or the military), the system maintains its monopoly on physical force and thus keeps all power in its own hands.

Whatever philosophical or moral rationalizations people may invent to explain their belief that violence is wrong, the real reason for that belief is that they have unconsciously absorbed the system's propaganda.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody who says Ted would not approve of beating or raping women...wrong. He applauds primitive cultures were women were beaten and raped. he cites the following passage with seeming approval, as the way men have naturally lived for thousands of years in primitive cultures he finds better than our own:

“Sexual advances are generally made by the men. [...] If a man is out in the forest alone with a woman he may throw her to the ground roughly and take his prize without so much saying a word.”

Ted Kaczynski also seemingly approves of murder as natural, noting a crime very similar to the method of killing Betsy Aardsma:

Violence
As mentioned earlier, numerous examples of violence can be found in Coon's The Hunting Peoples. According to Gontran de Poncins, Kabloona, pages 116-120, 125, 162-165, 237-238, 244, homicides — usually by a stab in the back — were rather common among his Eskimos.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The comments above by Ted Kaczynski on violence, rape and homicide, along with others, can be found here:

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/HTML/Ted_Kaczynski__Letter_to_a_Turkish_anarchist.html
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:30 pm    Post subject: MAJOR NEWS! NEVER BEFORE SEEN ZODIAC LETTER 12/16/69 Reply with quote

MAJOR NEWS! NEVER BEFORE SEEN ZODIAC LETTER POSTMARKED 12/16/69 FAIRFIELD CA


http://unazod.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=108
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12/16/69 Unconfirmed Zodiac Letter

Page One

This is the Zodiac speaking

I just want to tell you this state is in troulbe

I will go for the goverment life so dont foreget me

I will kill more people than you cops can count so look for more blood

You better print

[Five code symbols then a large Zodiac crosshair symbol surrounded by four smaller crosshairs]

You will not catch me

I will kill in

SF 3 times
SJ 1 "
Vallejo 6 "
Napa 8 "
Fairfield 3 cops
Sacramento 9 times
Oakland 8 "

ha! ha! ha!

Page Two

THe Bleeding knife of Zodiac

[Drawing of knife tip dripping blood]
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morf and I made FOIA requests to the FBI to get the possible Zodiac letter postmarked 12/16/69 Fairfield, CA, said to have a Page One with the words "This State Is In Trouble" and a Page Two with the words "Bleeding Knife Of The Zodiac" and a drawing of a knife.

MORF GOT IT!!!

We are sending it to all major Zodiac sites, as we told the FBI we would.

Opinions, comments, ideas?

Handwriting appears to match, moderately to weakly. As FBI analyst said of these Zodiac Fairfield letters, they appear to contain "distortion" and not to have been written as "freely" as other letters. Could they have been written in a car or other bad circumstances? Was Zodiac trying to hide his natural style more? But the FBI analyst also said they contain characteristics matching confirmed Zodiac letters showing they "may" have been written by same individual.

There appears to be a very brief CODE on this as well.

Interesting that he threatens to kill police, in light of SFPD Officer Radetich murder June 19, 1970.

Also the threats against other cities, including SACRAMENTO. Interesting in light of 1970 murders of Sacramento residents Judith Hakari and Nancy Bennallack, also future Sacramento crimes of EAR/ONS.

Definitely a threat against the GOVERMENT here, interesting for suspects like Ted Kaczynski, Richard Gaikowski and Troy Houghton, who all had radical anti - government views, be they left, right or anarchist.

"Bleeding Knife" and drawing appears to be Jack the Ripper reference.

You may copy and post these letters, give credit to http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com/forum.htm
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first two "s" 's are lightning bolt, Norse - Nazi SS style. This was also done on the May 1978 letter that threatened "Chief Piggy" Gates and made the Manson family reference.

I also note that "3, 6, 9" appear here, one on top the other!

"go for the government life"

I read that to mean TRY TO TAKE THE LIVES OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES - Cops, military, politicians, bureacrats.

He says "this STATE is in trouble." Then he threatens COPS in FAIRFIELD.

Threatens lives in SACRAMENTO, the STATE CAPITAL OF CALIFORNIA.

I think he is threatening "GOVERNMENT LIFE" - the lifes of government workers.

The letter threatens more deaths in Sacramento than any other city.

Sacramento is the state capital, and "Zodiac" says this "state" is in trouble.

Ted Kaczynski after 1969 probably spent more time around the Sacramento area then any other CA city. He stayed at the Royal Hotel in Sacramento and local bookstore employees saw him so much they nick named him "Einstein". Two of the three confirmed Unabomber deaths were Sacramento residents, Hugh Scrutton (computers) and Gil Murray (Forestry).

Sacramento is also where the EAR/ONS attacks would start in the mid 1970's.

Sacramento is the STATE Capital of California.

Also, very important, just four months after this letter is sent Judith Hakari, nurse, is killed in Sacramento, and later in October 1970 another Sacramento resident, Nancy Bennallack, is murdered, a day before Zodiac sent his "14" Halloween card.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, AK.
Taking into consideration the specific words used here/inflection...

I don't believe this was a legitimate Zodiac communique.

But that's just my humble opinion.
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