The Zodiac

seesthru · Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 4908

Another unsolved case. Is he still alive? Do you have any ideas? DO you think his ciphers were purposely made unsolvable in some sections? Did they contain clues, or were they just garbage?

ThinkTank · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 3882

Zodiac is an interesting subject. I've done my homework on this one because I had a relative whom I thought was capable of this. I have since been able to calm my concerns. The prime suspect in this one seems like such a good suspect but then none of the hard evidence fits. Supposedly there is mountains of circumstantial evidence that places him in the right locations at the right times. Unfortunately.... and I feel guilty saying this... but..... it is possible there was such public pressure to make an arrest that they had a person with a criminal history so it is possible they worked the case to make it fit their man. The hard evidence that I have read about would include the prints on the cab, the partial palm print on a letter supposedly written by Zodiac and of course the DNA. I do think this was a cat and mouse game for him. I know it was a game of power and control but why did this person want to make the police looks so foolish? Was there a history? A Failure perhaps? But I dont think he was nearly as ellusive and intelligent as history makes him out to be. I have wondered over and over if the suspect could have understood that DNA would evolve and took precautions to avoid leaving his. Hard to say.

Interesting to note that the main suspect was employed and released by a local school here. Of course the district was contacted many times in the course of this investigation. He was dismissed for inappropriate behavior with the kids. I dont know the details. But, to my amazment just a couple of years ago this district (A VERY small one) just terminated a teacher for similiar type issues. Yes an arrest was made. I am concerned that with such a huge investigation going on concerning a past employee that the district..... WELL I suppose in all fairness they dont have it tatooed on their heads. What are the odds?

seesthru · Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 4908

He was released for child molestation. Odd to think of a child molester being the zodiac. One victim did identify him as the shooter though.

I was looking at the other suspects. Kazynski? A Manson follower? They sure ran the gamut!

Everyone thought BTK to be smart and somehow superhuman for evading capture so long. I think he was just lucky enough to be a murderer in times when evidence wasn't as easily processed as is today. BTK creeps me out in a whole, he's yucky dirty sort of way. I imagine, if Zodiac were captured, the mystique would fade into disgust for many as well.

ThinkTank · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 3882

I agree that the child molestation thing... doesnt quite add up to me. The victimization in this case has always been a bit baffeling to me. To me the orginal targets were couples. Like perhaps the courting stages of a relationship were the issue. Some people think there was more rage directed at the females. The cab driver seems to me to just be an "in your face... law enforcement" type of action. The Darlene Farrin murder also, really could open some doors. The reason I dont believe that the Unabomber and Zodiac are one in the same is because one is a "contact" crime and the bombers method was less personal. The Manson crew.... I dont know.... I think they were far to disorganized to have done this. Also the military style boots is another reason I wouldnt suspect the Manson clan. As far as an eye witness... gosh that is a hard sell to me. I am not accusing anyone of being less then honest. But, there has been countless studies where it has been proven over and over that witnesses perceptions can be very different.

seesthru · Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 4908

Do you think the Zodiac was like the Son of Sam? I know SOS wasn't the Zodiac, but they chose the couples, and used guns to kill.

seesthru · Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 4908

WHat is your personal summary of the Zodiac Russell?

ThinkTank · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 3882

Sees & Russel,

I read the Brace analysis on the Zodiac. It was interesting to notice some similiar personality characteristics with the suspect I shared with See's in a private message. I would like to say I believe I have have accurately been able to dismiss that person as a realistic suspect. However, I think it could be very interesting to do a Brace analysis on this person. See's ... with the information I shared with you and what you see in the Brace Anaylsis; I am curious what you think. It would be interesting to get comments from both of you on this thought. I should be able to accurately provide the information needed to complete this.

Think

rumaj · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:46 am Post subject:

Searching news archives, I found this article.

'Zodiac Killer' Wants To Add Children to List
San Francisco (AP)

'The killer who calls himself the
"Zodiac"" and boasts of five vic-
tims now. writes-- That he wants
to add to his death list by hitting
a school bus so he can "pick
off the kiddies as they come
bouncing out."
After his latest letter was sent
to the San Francisco Chronicle.
police issued special instructions
Thursday to school budrivers
to keep buses moving
"at all costs" in the event of an
attack. To instruct passengers
to lie on the floor, and to attract
attention with their horns and lights.

"School children make nice targets," he wrote
the newspaper. "I think I shall wipe out a school
bus some morning. Just shoot out the front tire, and then
pick off the kiddies as they come bouncing out."

I am admittedly apprehensive about another murder or shooting
in the near future.

There's more of the article, but this part specifically talks about killing children.

Iowa City Press-citizen | 1969-10-17
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ThinkTank · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 3882

Russel,

Well Thank you for at least responding. It was just a thought.

Think

seesthru · Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 4908

Think, your suspect is more intelligent than Russell thinks the Zodiac was/is, or it sounds that way. PM me and let me know if you thought him highly intelligent, average, or below average. I'm guessing IQ above 125 perhaps, or right at it?
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ThinkTank · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 3882

Sees,

I did message you again. I do believe he was intelligent but read my PM and see why I could have been mistaken. I wonder if there are any records of any aptitude tests or anything. Just get back to me after you read my last PM.

Think

seesthru · Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 4908

I got it. I answered it . Russell is of the opinion that Zodiac wasn't/isn't as intelligent as rumored. I'm not certain. I think the cipher thing shows at least sluightly above average intelligence, because most average folk don't indulge in creating ciphers. I think. I'm not sure of that either. I just know I don't see people creating code much around here.

Your person of interest, seems at least average in intelligence. There could be some record of test scores, if there are military records or medical records someone can access. I don't know if they would help though. The best indicator of intelligence, is in the personal writings. Look at the vocabulary and spelling. If a person has a large vocabulary, and uses it correctly, and the spelling is correct, and punctuation is correct, then he's at least smarter than our president! LOLOL Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm not confusing correct punctuation with typo errors though. I'm failrly intelligent, and my typing stinks, as does my handwriting. However, I know where the semicolon goes, when I write, my spelling gets better than when I type.

Anyway, if you've access to any written works, or maybe old books he may have read and written inotes in the margins of, check those out. You can get a goood sense of the intelligence level, and perhaps the mindset of the person.
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ThinkTank · Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 3882

Sees,

I will see what I can dig up. If I get anything of interest... I wouldn't mind scanning it and making sure you get a look at it as it exists. Might take me a bit though.

Think

P.S. Lighten up on us less intelligent people. I too (someday) might wish to become President. LOL

seesthru · Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 4908

ROFL! Am I too hard on the less intelligent? I shouldn't be, I'm ONE of them LOLOL Besides, IQ only gets you so far, it's determination that pulls the plow, not brains! Wink

I think you're smarter than our current president, so you'll make it if you try! Smile

I amnot of the opinion that Zodiac wasn't too bright. I'm on the fence. I think that people making a code type thing, shows some intelligence. I dont' know how much...
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seesthru · Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 4908

Hey Russell. You know, from reading the letters and halloween card, it's odd. Some writings are spelled correctly, and sound intelligent. Some things, like the card, have misspellings, and don't sound like the other writings. It's like 2 people. Or the real deal and a copycat? So which may be which?

Do you mean a disorder like schitzophrenia? alzheimers?
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Edward Cullen isn't a Vampire. He lives in the forest , he doesn't eat people , he sparkles, and he can fly!. He's obviously a Fairy!