BTK

[Rainsong]

Since the topic of John's newest book is BTK, perhaps it would be a good idea to make this a sticky topic for this forum. Please post your questions, observations and discussions of BTK/Dennis Rader under this thread.

And pm me (or another moderator) with suggestions for other 'sticky' topics, such as Gary Ridgeway/GRK, Edmund Kemper,. etc.

Thanks!
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[seesthru]

I always wondered if it was wise to let the killer call the shots by allowing him to nickname himself, and lead the media stories. would not calling him BTK or nicknaming him as he wished have spurred more killings? I think it might have. I know the nickname is stuck there for good, but a part of me, or ALL of me, wishes we could strip Rader ofevery "glory" he thinks he earned, starting by taking away that nickname he was so proud of.

[rumaj]

My concerns are , are we going to be "BTK'd " to boredom?

The british are making a documentary, the woman in kansas is writing a book on BTK, from a Christian point of view, and Mr. D is writing a book. Plus Robert Beattie has already written one.

I don't know how many more there are/will be to come.

No disrespect to anyone, just my observations.
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[seesthru]

I wonder ifMr D is going to interview Rader, or if that will even be allowed?

[ThinkTank]

I agree with seesthru. It is like he got to glorify his actions by selecting his own name. That had to feed that ego and make him feel in control of his victims, his community, the police and finally the media. Yes we will be BTK'd to death but I am still dying to read what JD has to reveal about the whole case. If it wasn't for reading "The Cases that Haunt Us", I would still believe that the Ramsey's hurt their own daughter which ultimately led to her death. His experience and comprehensive ability to connect the dots is what sets him aside. If ever I wanted an objective perspective on BTK it will be the thoughts that JD can bring forward.

[deputyskunk]

Why do you think it took so long for Raider to surface again? Was it because the newspaper reporter was writing a book?

Did he get his fulfillment of controlling people by being a code enforcement officer? And now he had no control over what the book might say, so his ego wouldn't just let a sleeping monster, sleep quietly? By taunting Law Enforcement, was his way to control the situation?

Seams like he had issues, but not the issues we hear about all the time with serial killers. He was Narcissistic, but he was involved in the Boy Scouts, church and had a family (two boys and a wife). He never totally lost it and made that mistake he made at the end, by being so full of him self, believing he could be smarter than Law Enforcement (Question: can you trace where a computer disk's comes from). He belived he could still out smart the cops.

These are some of the questions I would try to answer.

P.S The Ramsey’s (Pattey) are involved in the killing of their child, read the ransom note. (Patty wrote it). Read the language in it, NO ONE ELSE WROTE IT BUT PATTEY RAMESEY. Not saying it was intentional or not, BUT they were involved in staging and covering up the facts of her death.

[rumaj]

"deputyskunk"]Why do you think it took so long for Raider to surface again? Was it because the newspaper reporter was writing a book?

A. It was not a newspaper reporter writing the book. It was Robert Beattie, an Attorney in Wichita, who is also a college professor.


Q. Did he get his fulfillment of controlling people by being a code enforcement officer? And now he had no control over what the book might say, so his ego wouldn't just let a sleeping monster, sleep quietly? By taunting Law Enforcement, was his way to control the situation?

A. Yes, there were certain people he loved to harass, other people had no problems with him. He even had some of his trophies and newsclippings in his office at work. Right there with LE. It was when he found out about the book, that he couldn't stand it and came back out, not wanting anyone to take his "credit".


Q. Seams like he had issues, but not the issues we hear about all the time with serial killers. He was Narcissistic, but he was involved in the Boy Scouts, church and had a family (two boys and a wife). He never totally lost it and made that mistake he made at the end, by being so full of him self, believing he could be smarter than Law Enforcement (Question: can you trace where a computer disk's comes from). He belived he could still out smart the cops.

A. Yes, and while he was involved in the boy scouts was when he did one of his kills, leaving the camp at night. He did totally lose it occassionally. Ask the people he harassed. Also using the church for one of his victims to take photos and pose her body before dumping her. He thought at one time he'd been discovered while busy with one of his victims. The church was a good cover as well. He was also church council president.

Actually, he has a daughter and a son, not two sons.

Q These are some of the questions I would try to answer.
A There's a start for you.
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[ThinkTank]

Deputyskunk,

I believed (past tense) that Patsy wrote the note as well. Why did I believe that? Because that is what the media fed us. Now ask a handwriting analyst what the statistical percentage of the population could NOT be cleared as the author of that very note. That is the fact in this case. They couldn't clear her as the author. The media was being fed information that the police wanted out to support the case they were trying to make. Remember we can all be easily manipulated to believe what we read. However, if the police aren't feeding the media ALL the facts.... were only getting the picture they want us to see. Tell me this. If these parents did this... and staged her death..... why on earth would they not take the body to a secondary crime location to make the staging more realistic? If your going to stage it, why leave her body in a location that you are the first, last and prime suspects? Doesn't make good staging sense to me.

[Rainsong]

[seesthru]

I read Mr D's newsletter. He's commented on the fact that Rader gets off on the media stuff and his nickname, and says he will write the book to show Rader for the coward he is, etc.... I like that!

Hmm. Maybe we need a sticky thread for the Jonbenet case.

[Rainsong]

http://snipurl.com/1ugj5

Case files, the law enforcement account of the investigation, the arrest, and the questionning of Rader after his arrest. Graphic content. It's a pdf file about 92 pages long.
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[seesthru]

That many pages? Lets out my opld dinosaur computer! Every time I try to use a PDF reader it locks up!
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[MikeT]

I think, until he reads the book, this book will give him a hardon if he knows about it. He is feeding on the fact we're all in a tizzy over him, he's still right in our lives, he was all about control, however and whenever he could attain it. Most serial killers are narcissits, in fact most psychopaths are. They will always forward themselves for others' losses, not giving a crap at all for others especially if it forwards them. Ted Bundy was also an extreme narcissist, with the massive ego that goes along with that.
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[KLee]

I agree with ThinkTank on the JonBenet Ramsey case. The media went nuts and pointed fingers at JonBenet's parents. Until I watched a show (with our own Mr. D), I was convinced the parents were invloved... now I feel sorry for them because they'll never escape suspicion. I remember Mr. D pointing out the inconsistencies with the investigation (such as the police saying they found footprints in the snow, when there was hardly any snow... things like that). After seeing the documentary, I learned never to trust the media when it comes to information.

KLee

[ThinkTank]

EXACTLY what KLee said. EXACTLY